tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post4008177803303047167..comments2024-03-27T07:28:18.776+00:00Comments on Frontline Gamer: My very last Kickstarter / Indiegogo updateFrontline Gamerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09110901356802705087noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-70798677858059977852012-06-11T13:17:59.875+01:002012-06-11T13:17:59.875+01:00Oh I know only too well what human nature is like ...Oh I know only too well what human nature is like having studied it. Obviously we are hard wired to think things will go well, so when they do we don't see it as out of the ordinary. But when they go wrong...<br /><br />Any way as I said to Ant above the complaints were more customer feedback asking me to get back to what I do best on here. Write reviews, do exposes on games and write thought provoking opinion pieces. That's kinda what I want to write too, so it's all good.Frontline Gamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09110901356802705087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-27535052431122005492012-06-11T13:15:21.926+01:002012-06-11T13:15:21.926+01:00I'll still cover things I like the look of Ant...I'll still cover things I like the look of Ant, don't you worry about that. I might even from time to time mention the odd thing I've seen on Kickstarter or Indiegogo. But only if I've come across it myself.<br /><br />As to the asshats who told me I HAD to talk about their projects or it would be unfair... well, screw them. I've never heard off of them before and the first contact I have with these nobodies is them making a demand of me like I'm their bitch. No way, not cool and f@$% off!!!<br /><br />Also the complaints I had weren't really complaints, it was people saying they preferred my Blog when it wasn't swamped with crowd funding articles and competitions. That's fair enough. A lot of my articles of late have been competition based or crowd funding based. That needs to change a bit.Frontline Gamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09110901356802705087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-90068156128235654242012-06-11T11:53:29.583+01:002012-06-11T11:53:29.583+01:00That's fair enough I guess. One would hope yo...That's fair enough I guess. One would hope you're not going to stop mentioning things that have piqued your interest just because they're crowd-funded - as I said before, I think you drawing attention to lesser-known games is a great part of your blog.<br /><br />I wasn't thinking "Frontline goes over Kickstarter and posts every gaming project", I was just thinking "Games Frontline has seen in the past [insert arbitrary periods of time here] he wants people to be aware of".<br /><br />In regards to the complainers about some perceived slight against "fairness" - that's horrible behaviour, you're not the BBC for crying out loud.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367202513244127126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-31174685459192970852012-06-11T10:32:30.599+01:002012-06-11T10:32:30.599+01:00Well I mostly read blogs like yours to find new ga...Well I mostly read blogs like yours to find new games I have not seen before so I for one have no problem what so ever with you writing about crowd-funded projects, can't get any newer than that can it.Also I wouldn't get too carried away with people who complain. It has been my experience that people who don't like something can be quite vocal about it, while people who do like something usually don't say anything until it's to late.Stroeziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04468974626298714038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-75777942622116667602012-06-11T10:00:15.021+01:002012-06-11T10:00:15.021+01:00Maybe. But the thing is that even after posting th...Maybe. But the thing is that even after posting this article up saying I wasn't doing anymore crowd funding stuff I've had 7 emails off of people running crowd funding campaign saying basically that if I've higlighted, Mantic, Avatars of War etc. I should highlight them...<br /><br />o.0<br /><br />I should. Not would I mind... no... I should. Firstly that sort of attitude pisses me off a little bit. I'm not a public broadcast service and I don't get paid to do this Blog. I'm not naming names because I wouldn't want to give them the publicity, but shesh reading som of those mails this morning made me as angry as hell. Personally I think that's killed it off for me totally.<br /><br />While I appreciate that their are two of you who think I should continue to do this sort of thing... well... there's been way more who have emailed me and asked me to stop. Plus it's getting way to demanding keeping on top of them, and I don't need the hassle.Frontline Gamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09110901356802705087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-74264234533433124892012-06-11T09:54:13.104+01:002012-06-11T09:54:13.104+01:00Yeah I'm sure their $20,000US target has had s...Yeah I'm sure their $20,000US target has had something to do with it. Primarily because $5,000 is easier to get than $10,000 and so on. I do though think it's more than that with Avatars of War though. They've posted their campaign at a really awkward time. Mantic are running their campaign. Zombiecide just finished when their went live. Then there's Sedition Wars which has sucked up a lot of the geek $. And to be fair the Bushido Ito campaign really took off too during the early stages of the Avatars of War campaign. They just seem to have been crowded out of the marketplace and haven't been able to get any momentum going at all.Plus it's not been as well publicised as other campaigns have been It looks like a conflation of issues to me.Frontline Gamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09110901356802705087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-78338337804186726732012-06-11T09:49:54.542+01:002012-06-11T09:49:54.542+01:00Yeah that's a good point, but it's also in...Yeah that's a good point, but it's also incredibly dangerous too. Especially if you get carried away with pledges and forget you've got payments to make.Frontline Gamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09110901356802705087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-85090795623839542802012-06-11T09:48:35.034+01:002012-06-11T09:48:35.034+01:00I'm such a shiny whore if I was in gainful per...I'm such a shiny whore if I was in gainful permanent employment then I could very well envision all my spare disposable income going onto various Kickstarter and Indiegogo campaigns. So it's a bit of a bugger really I'd imagine for those of you who do have the cash. It's actually quite addictive watching projects you like reach and then smash their targets. It's a very cunning piece of marketing.Frontline Gamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09110901356802705087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-49973426310738318422012-06-10T18:23:53.713+01:002012-06-10T18:23:53.713+01:00I agree that calling attention to crowd-funded pro...I agree that calling attention to crowd-funded projects was fine. As Ant suggested a quick round-up like the the last four you listed would be nice. I've been thinking of another suggestion where you can have a tab up top like the 'home' and 'bio' called 'Crowd Funding' where you can list crowd-funded projects you are currently interested in or backing with a brief paragraph describing what about it drew your attention. That way people like me can check out what's going on without others being bothered with posts on your blog about such projects.Kilcinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05607724791394752191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-57776453119767132032012-06-10T17:23:10.423+01:002012-06-10T17:23:10.423+01:00Just for my 2c, I think you calling attention to c...Just for my 2c, I think you calling attention to crowd-funded projects was fine. Most of these products are starved for attention not consumer base. With a blog like yours (which I see mentioned more and more elsewhere) you do these projects a service by drawing attention to them when bigger media isn't going to.<br /><br />I, for one, would welcome any further round-ups you do - maybe simply a once in a while article that rounds up new games to draw attention to them, crowd-funded or not. You've only got to look in the comments of your articles to see the numbers you've got playing [insert random game X] when they hadn't heard of it before.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17367202513244127126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-66274758504879140002012-06-10T16:14:39.102+01:002012-06-10T16:14:39.102+01:00The only reason I managed to fund Sedition Wars is...The only reason I managed to fund Sedition Wars is cuz my wages wont get beaten untill the end of the month. If it was payment on the spot I would have to miss it.<br /><br />Now however they have started with the add ons... and I want them all, sigh. Any hope I had of funding anything else if now deff gone...<br /><br />-Voidsign-Voidsignhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298713023295515341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-17794453483508209912012-06-10T06:36:44.017+01:002012-06-10T06:36:44.017+01:00There was a post on G= recently showing graphicall...There was a post on G= recently showing graphically the differences between successful and unsuccessful Kickstarter type projects, and one of the key differences was the goal price. The average price for successful kickstarters tended to be ~$5.5K, while unsuccessful kickstarters tended to be ~$16.3K+.<br /><br />Now granted that Sedition Wars is massively popular due to the public push behind it, but I imagine the above reasoning might be why we are seeing the Avatars of War Indiegogo push falling short. Indiegogo isn't as popular as Kickstarter to begin with, then a larger goal that tends not be successful, might just be an unlucky combo for that crew.KelarionPrimehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02765883630811518478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-61888980105229204302012-06-10T02:12:34.191+01:002012-06-10T02:12:34.191+01:00Yep, I'd agree 100% with that! I've suppor...Yep, I'd agree 100% with that! I've supported the Ito campaign but i've had to be very careful about not going OTT on other campaigns that look good as well... Funds only stretch so far unfortunately...<br /><br />Very tempted to jump in on Sedition Wars come payday, although they will be competing for my cash with a good few other projects...Rich_Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10366680390804627621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-79802383882818288572012-06-09T21:09:37.060+01:002012-06-09T21:09:37.060+01:00I think that's part of the issue with crowd fu...I think that's part of the issue with crowd funding in a way, you can spend so much of your money so easily and quickly without receiving anything for it for sometime. So easy to get caught up in it all.Frontline Gamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09110901356802705087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-6962695075013170612012-06-09T21:06:32.829+01:002012-06-09T21:06:32.829+01:00Yep. Sedition Wars is worth it for the minia's...Yep. Sedition Wars is worth it for the minia's alone. Personally I think the game is just an added bonus. Not a bad bonus to have though.Frontline Gamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09110901356802705087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-65654248535555546122012-06-09T21:05:35.358+01:002012-06-09T21:05:35.358+01:00It'd be great if wider geek sites picked up Se...It'd be great if wider geek sites picked up Sedition Wars and really helped propel it into the stratosphere.Frontline Gamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09110901356802705087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-35041099408262740482012-06-09T21:04:20.462+01:002012-06-09T21:04:20.462+01:00You can still fund Tentacle Bento campaign. You ju...You can still fund Tentacle Bento campaign. You just have to follow the link to Soda Pops own website.Frontline Gamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09110901356802705087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-6452322028955051202012-06-09T20:13:53.413+01:002012-06-09T20:13:53.413+01:00Following and being a part of (At Biohazard level,...Following and being a part of (At Biohazard level, cos it'd be stupid to lose out on all the extras otherwise.) the Sedition Wars Kickstarter has been fun to say the least. <br /><br />Shame about the Tentacles one, I love the Sodapop style and it looked like it would have been a fun game. <br /><br />Wish Germany would just go ahead and score already....Daihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04978439841611727387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-60209455420479950982012-06-09T19:46:15.280+01:002012-06-09T19:46:15.280+01:00I've Backed Sedition wars at Biohazard level, ...I've Backed Sedition wars at Biohazard level, and I think it currentley stands at 76 mini's. You also get the LTD Ed Resin Kara as well. Currentley at $168,227 so I think the Dice are in.<br /><br />Looking at the other Kicks I quite like the look of Infamy Miniatures page. Good looking mini's, I'll have to keep an eye on this and see how it developes. Sedition Wars has kinda sucked up my funds for the moment so as it stands it's a no T.T<br /><br />-Voidsign-Voidsignhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13298713023295515341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-84687341542610721162012-06-09T16:53:52.591+01:002012-06-09T16:53:52.591+01:00Well, Sedition wars are very very awesome, I´m in ...Well, Sedition wars are very very awesome, I´m in it definestly. 75 models for 100 ? By McVey ? With a relly good game? Gamers wet dream, to be honest.Katcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12706499412125845393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-72535375227643226762012-06-09T16:23:53.665+01:002012-06-09T16:23:53.665+01:00I really do hope the same happens with Sedition Wa...I really do hope the same happens with Sedition Wars, as the game really deserves it in my opinion.<br /><br />Naturally, but unfortunately a good product alone isn't everything. That's what I meant with your analysis ;)Aeria_Glorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08809554922625492683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-53176094904498312792012-06-09T16:03:44.467+01:002012-06-09T16:03:44.467+01:00I've highlighted why at least 50 people who ha...I've highlighted why at least 50 people who have been in touch with me have said they weren't going to back the Gruntz campaign, despite being interested in the game. Feel really sorry about it for Robin and Ian as they're both nice blokes... but it wasn't handled right from the start.Frontline Gamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09110901356802705087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-54449572693624547162012-06-09T16:00:09.756+01:002012-06-09T16:00:09.756+01:00I think the likes of Penny Arcade picked up Zombie...I think the likes of Penny Arcade picked up Zombiecide with about 18 days to go when it had just hit around $180K to $200k... then it went supernova. <br /><br />As to what makes a crowd funding campaign successful, I think the first thing is you need to have a good product. If you don't have a good product you'll be asking for trouble.Frontline Gamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09110901356802705087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-39561028796434567082012-06-09T14:43:49.276+01:002012-06-09T14:43:49.276+01:00Good suggestion on the campaigns and dissection of...Good suggestion on the campaigns and dissection of Gruntz's. You highlight exactly why I won't be backing their kickstarter, despite quite liking the game.Phyllionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01451215894349113521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1448296907784874327.post-25636156040349990752012-06-09T13:02:59.815+01:002012-06-09T13:02:59.815+01:00Thank you for that analysis on succesfull campaign...Thank you for that analysis on succesfull campaigns! Very interesting stuff.<br /><br />Do you happen to know at which point the zombicide campaign got picked up by 'mainstream' media?Aeria_Glorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08809554922625492683noreply@blogger.com